Comments on: Students using PCLinuxOS in Vietnam http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/ A Japanese Amerasian, Former US Marine, Returned Peace Corps Volunteer, Entrepreneur, IT Consultant, Weightlifter, and Linux Tech Blogger residing in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), Vietnam. Tenobliss. Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:50:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: SaigonNezumi (Kevin) http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29939 SaigonNezumi (Kevin) Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:41:29 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29939 Getting Compiz to run on an Acer, no way :-) When I can get some desktops for full Linux installs, then maybe... Getting Compiz to run on an Acer, no way :-) When I can get some desktops for full Linux installs, then maybe…

]]> By: loudog http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29914 loudog Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:05:43 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29914 I am curious if the compiz 3d desktop is a hit with your class (im sure the the students will figure out a way to make it work) or if it has even been explored yet? I am curious if the compiz 3d desktop is a hit with your class (im sure the the students will figure out a way to make it work) or if it has even been explored yet?

]]> By: O.S. Revolution » PCLinuxOS - radically simple. http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29887 O.S. Revolution » PCLinuxOS - radically simple. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:07:03 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29887 [...] Tornando seri e sperando che seguano un po’ tutti questo mio esempio, ho deciso di scaricare la iso e provarla … Devo per forza dirvi le miei impressioni? Secondo me è ben fatta e se date uno sguardo in rete vi accorgerete che in tutto il mondo se ne parla altrettanto bene. [...] [...] Tornando seri e sperando che seguano un po’ tutti questo mio esempio, ho deciso di scaricare la iso e provarla … Devo per forza dirvi le miei impressioni? Secondo me è ben fatta e se date uno sguardo in rete vi accorgerete che in tutto il mondo se ne parla altrettanto bene. [...]

]]> By: Hoàng ??c Hi?u http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29857 Hoàng ??c Hi?u Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:39:11 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29857 @Fri13: I don't get what you mean, marketing is marketing. I also haven't heard the "there isn’t any other samekind [t]hat would be easy to use" from anybody. And Ubuntu also has all packages it inherits from Debian, not just non-"normal user needs". Which, btw, is much more than what a person on #pclinuxos-support told me available in PCLOS "7260 or 7270 packages". Ubuntu also separates non-free sw into multiverse and restricted, Does PCLOS do so? There're Gobuntu, a free-sw-only Ubuntu flavour, and Gnewsense, based on Ubuntu 6.06 that only serves free sw. And shouldn't each distro have a distinct default look? That's just a theme. @Fri13: I don’t get what you mean, marketing is marketing. I also haven’t heard the “there isn’t any other samekind [t]hat would be easy to use” from anybody.

And Ubuntu also has all packages it inherits from Debian, not just non-”normal user needs”. Which, btw, is much more than what a person on #pclinuxos-support told me available in PCLOS “7260 or 7270 packages”.

Ubuntu also separates non-free sw into multiverse and restricted, Does PCLOS do so? There’re Gobuntu, a free-sw-only Ubuntu flavour, and Gnewsense, based on Ubuntu 6.06 that only serves free sw.

And shouldn’t each distro have a distinct default look? That’s just a theme.

]]> By: Fri13 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29851 Fri13 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:57:58 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29851 "@Tom G: I am getting that a lot. I keep telling some people, Ubuntu DOES NOT Linux. The Ubuntu community in Vietnam is really hurting the Linux movement in this country." Do you mean what i think? That some people thinks Ubuntu builds GNU/Linux as Microsoft does windows. I have seen many new GNU/Linux users to believe that Ubuntu is different Operating System than any other distribution and Ubuntu is easy to use because it has great desktop. They just dont understand that Ubuntu is using same parts of GNU/Linux as any other distribution like by using Gnome as desktop, but it configures and choose them in different way. Like only selects those parts what they think normal user needs and leaves everything else off. And configure Gnome to use own theme and few other applets by default as other distros does samething. I feel that Ubuntu is doint more harm to GNU/Linux FOSS community than any other distribution. Just becase it is marketing itself (and by users) as easy to use Linux based OS and there isn't any other samekind what would be easy to use. I'm Mandriva user myself and i have long time wanted to try PCLinuxOS (it is based to Mandriva) because it has few nice things by default, and if it really rocks, i can suggest it for new users. Now i suggest Mandriva over any Ubuntu based distro ;-) It's great to see that computer users knows that there is always a alternative to select what OS they like to run. It doesn't need to be Windows XP or Windows Vista, It can be GNU/Linux or even *BSD. And there is great applications for free (as time (speech) and as money (beer) ;-)). “@Tom G: I am getting that a lot. I keep telling some people, Ubuntu DOES NOT Linux. The Ubuntu community in Vietnam is really hurting the Linux movement in this country.”

Do you mean what i think? That some people thinks Ubuntu builds GNU/Linux as Microsoft does windows. I have seen many new GNU/Linux users to believe that Ubuntu is different Operating System than any other distribution and Ubuntu is easy to use because it has great desktop. They just dont understand that Ubuntu is using same parts of GNU/Linux as any other distribution like by using Gnome as desktop, but it configures and choose them in different way.
Like only selects those parts what they think normal user needs and leaves everything else off. And configure Gnome to use own theme and few other applets by default as other distros does samething.

I feel that Ubuntu is doint more harm to GNU/Linux FOSS community than any other distribution. Just becase it is marketing itself (and by users) as easy to use Linux based OS and there isn’t any other samekind what would be easy to use.

I’m Mandriva user myself and i have long time wanted to try PCLinuxOS (it is based to Mandriva) because it has few nice things by default, and if it really rocks, i can suggest it for new users. Now i suggest Mandriva over any Ubuntu based distro ;-)

It’s great to see that computer users knows that there is always a alternative to select what OS they like to run. It doesn’t need to be Windows XP or Windows Vista, It can be GNU/Linux or even *BSD. And there is great applications for free (as time (speech) and as money (beer) ;-) ).

]]> By: Hugh E Torrance http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29850 Hugh E Torrance Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:08:57 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29850 I regularly use PCLinuxOS and Ubuntu 7.1, also several other distros are up and running plus some PC-BSD and...they are all just great and getting better all the time...I have xp as well but its really just a handy tool. I regularly use PCLinuxOS and Ubuntu 7.1, also several other distros are up and running plus some PC-BSD and…they are all just great and getting better all the time…I have xp as well but its really just a handy tool.

]]> By: SaigonNezumi (Kevin) http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29828 SaigonNezumi (Kevin) Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:27:49 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29828 @moof: My goal is not to force my students to switch to Linux. I just want them to use it as another alternative. Nobody forced me to use Linux, Windows, or any other OS. I chose them myself but my teachers gave me that option. Anyway, my students know how to type both in English and Vietnamese regardless of the OS. One of my students installed the Vietnamese font on my iPhone :-) @Terrell: Great comment :-) @dutchman77: I would agree with you here. I think PCLInuxOS is a great introduction to Linux. Now some guys would say Ubuntu is but I always disagree here. Students want something that really entices them like, I hate to say, Windows does. Some of my students do love Vista. A couple like the Macbooks. Ubuntu just does not have that kick. Sabayon does but it is not ready for the schools yet. For me, I will always say that if you really want to learn Linux, download Gentoo but that is just my bias (I use openSUSE on my Thinkpad and DesktopBSD on my other laptop if you want to know). @Tom G: I am getting that a lot. I keep telling some people, Ubuntu DOES NOT Linux. The Ubuntu community in Vietnam is really hurting the Linux movement in this country. @Kevin Wright: In short, I just wanted them to use Linux as a web development tool. It was just a big headache to do it in Windows. At least in PCLinuxOS my students can have a local server running without doing anything. It just simplifies things for them and me. And for VMWare, quite simple. My school is a Window's school so I had no choice but to use VMWare. I may switch to VirtualBox later. I hope that answers your question :-) @moof: My goal is not to force my students to switch to Linux. I just want them to use it as another alternative. Nobody forced me to use Linux, Windows, or any other OS. I chose them myself but my teachers gave me that option. Anyway, my students know how to type both in English and Vietnamese regardless of the OS. One of my students installed the Vietnamese font on my iPhone :-)

@Terrell: Great comment :-)

@dutchman77: I would agree with you here. I think PCLInuxOS is a great introduction to Linux. Now some guys would say Ubuntu is but I always disagree here. Students want something that really entices them like, I hate to say, Windows does. Some of my students do love Vista. A couple like the Macbooks. Ubuntu just does not have that kick. Sabayon does but it is not ready for the schools yet. For me, I will always say that if you really want to learn Linux, download Gentoo but that is just my bias (I use openSUSE on my Thinkpad and DesktopBSD on my other laptop if you want to know).

@Tom G: I am getting that a lot. I keep telling some people, Ubuntu DOES NOT Linux. The Ubuntu community in Vietnam is really hurting the Linux movement in this country.

@Kevin Wright: In short, I just wanted them to use Linux as a web development tool. It was just a big headache to do it in Windows. At least in PCLinuxOS my students can have a local server running without doing anything. It just simplifies things for them and me.

And for VMWare, quite simple. My school is a Window’s school so I had no choice but to use VMWare. I may switch to VirtualBox later.

I hope that answers your question :-)

]]> By: Kevin Wright http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29794 Kevin Wright Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:08:39 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29794 Hi, Maybe I missed something in the article, or in a related one somewhere else, but what was the goal for getting the students using Linux? And why run it inside VMWare? Isn't it a live CD that can be run on its own? (the last question is rhetorical) Anyways, it is great to see your students learning something useful. Cheers, Kevin Wright Hi,

Maybe I missed something in the article, or in a related one somewhere else, but what was the goal for getting the students using Linux? And why run it inside VMWare? Isn’t it a live CD that can be run on its own? (the last question is rhetorical)

Anyways, it is great to see your students learning something useful.

Cheers,

Kevin Wright

]]> By: Tom G http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29786 Tom G Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:46:48 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29786 I have been using PCLinuxOS on and off for over a year now and really love it. It was great to see a story on Linux Today with "PCLinuxOS" in the title instead of "Ubuntu" ! Currently I only am using Linux on my home computer, and can run ALL my applications with no problems. Including World of Warcraft. I have been using PCLinuxOS on and off for over a year now and really love it. It was great to see a story on Linux Today with “PCLinuxOS” in the title instead of “Ubuntu” ! Currently I only am using Linux on my home computer, and can run ALL my applications with no problems. Including World of Warcraft.

]]> By: dutchman47 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2007/12/17/students-using-pclinuxos-in-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-29782 dutchman47 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:08:54 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=516#comment-29782 I am HAPPY to hear someone new is using PCLOS , and a school at that . I think PCLOS is THE crossover distro. I am still using PCLOS 93A "Big Daddy" and will never change, it is the best desktop OS I have ever used.. PCLOS is the best distro to start out or change from windows. I can't say enough good about it !!! I am HAPPY to hear someone new is using PCLOS , and a school at that . I think PCLOS is THE crossover distro. I am still using PCLOS 93A “Big Daddy” and will never change, it is the best desktop OS I have ever used.. PCLOS is the best distro to start out or change from windows. I can’t say enough good about it !!!

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