Comments on: Vietnamese Twitter-clone Saigonica violates AGPL http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/ A Japanese Amerasian, Former US Marine, Returned Peace Corps Volunteer, Entrepreneur, Kendoka, Weightlifter, and Linux Tech Blogger residing in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), Vietnam. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:40:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: SaigonNezumi (Kevin) http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-33448 SaigonNezumi (Kevin) Wed, 27 May 2009 00:59:20 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-33448 @Odin: I noticed that too. @Odin: I noticed that too.

]]> By: Odin Omdal Hørthe http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-33439 Odin Omdal Hørthe Tue, 26 May 2009 20:20:28 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-33439 Still can't find the modified code. They obviously edited Laconica a great deal. Still can’t find the modified code. They obviously edited Laconica a great deal.

]]> By: Tracy Reed http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32569 Tracy Reed Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:11:19 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32569 Regarding copyright violation: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10122530-1.html Regarding copyright violation:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10122530-1.html

]]> By: SaigonNezumi (Kevin) http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32559 SaigonNezumi (Kevin) Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:30:30 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32559 @JJ: Is Bill Gates in your bed? :-) They added the source code link back to their website. That is a start :-) @JJ: Is Bill Gates in your bed? :-)

They added the source code link back to their website. That is a start :-)

]]> By: JJ http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32556 JJ Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:49:27 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32556 I'm shocked. You mean someone took open source software, copied the idea of a website (which is a copy of another website idea) and then just slapped a cheesy name onto it? Kev, as a teacher, I know that you know that we know that you know that copying is like the asian national past time (behind picking your nose and staring). In the immortal words of my grandpa: "Lets see dem titties!" ;) I’m shocked. You mean someone took open source software, copied the idea of a website (which is a copy of another website idea) and then just slapped a cheesy name onto it?

Kev, as a teacher, I know that you know that we know that you know that copying is like the asian national past time (behind picking your nose and staring).

In the immortal words of my grandpa: “Lets see dem titties!”

;)

]]> By: SaigonNezumi (Kevin) http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32553 SaigonNezumi (Kevin) Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:57:31 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32553 @Thai: It looks like they are going to abide by AGPL. Their site is currently down: http://www.saigonica.com/ @Thai: It looks like they are going to abide by AGPL. Their site is currently down: http://www.saigonica.com/

]]> By: Thai http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32552 Thai Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:39:44 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32552 no surprise. iirc, there's a research from IDG a few years ago stating that some asian countries like VN, China...are the biggest users of open source/free software, and at the same time being the one who contribute the least to the community. @Kevin: it's hard to do anything with Saigonica. FSF or OpenSource.org is too far away to file legal action against them. The best thing we can do is to spread the news, and tell people stop using it. -Thai. no surprise. iirc, there’s a research from IDG a few years ago stating that some asian countries like VN, China…are the biggest users of open source/free software, and at the same time being the one who contribute the least to the community.

@Kevin: it’s hard to do anything with Saigonica. FSF or OpenSource.org is too far away to file legal action against them. The best thing we can do is to spread the news, and tell people stop using it.

-Thai.

]]> By: SaigonNezumi (Kevin) http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32547 SaigonNezumi (Kevin) Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:43:56 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32547 @Tracy: Yeah, with AGPL they must provide the 'modified' code with a link (button) on their site. Laconica already includes it with their default installation. Saigonica just deleted them. I am asking around to see if it is an American venture or Vietnamese. The site is currently hosted on Amazon servers in Seattle. @Phuong: Nice to hear from you. I would like to see Vietnamese Linux users take some action on this one if possible. Maybe Saigonica really doesn't know... @Tracy: Yeah, with AGPL they must provide the ‘modified’ code with a link (button) on their site. Laconica already includes it with their default installation. Saigonica just deleted them.

I am asking around to see if it is an American venture or Vietnamese. The site is currently hosted on Amazon servers in Seattle.

@Phuong: Nice to hear from you. I would like to see Vietnamese Linux users take some action on this one if possible. Maybe Saigonica really doesn’t know…

]]> By: Phuong Vo http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32546 Phuong Vo Sun, 14 Dec 2008 06:35:39 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32546 AGPL differ from GPL is that it affect software that provide web service too, if they use an AGPL software to provide web service, they must give their user access to the modified source. About the IP violation part, I agree that Vietnamese doesn't respect copyright like we should be, but that doesn't mean we should just let people violate copyright like this, especially if they are a company. The situation won't improve itself unless people who is conscious of copyright like us taking action. AGPL differ from GPL is that it affect software that provide web service too, if they use an AGPL software to provide web service, they must give their user access to the modified source.

About the IP violation part, I agree that Vietnamese doesn’t respect copyright like we should be, but that doesn’t mean we should just let people violate copyright like this, especially if they are a company. The situation won’t improve itself unless people who is conscious of copyright like us taking action.

]]> By: Tracy Reed http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2008/12/13/saigonica-violates-agpl/comment-page-1/#comment-32545 Tracy Reed Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:22:29 +0000 http://www.saigonnezumi.com/?p=1319#comment-32545 One more thing: So far I have had very little success in explaining the value of Free as in Freedom to Vietnamese. And they violate Microsoft's EULA all over the place. Why should we expect them to honor the GPL or AGPL any more than they honor the Microsoft EULA? As you know, if you try telling them that it is wrong to make copies of Windows you are likely to be laughed at. One more thing: So far I have had very little success in explaining the value of Free as in Freedom to Vietnamese. And they violate Microsoft’s EULA all over the place. Why should we expect them to honor the GPL or AGPL any more than they honor the Microsoft EULA? As you know, if you try telling them that it is wrong to make copies of Windows you are likely to be laughed at.

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